Car Magazine: Why Brits slate Lewis Hamilton
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Steve Rance
Boy Racer
I had my reservations about him earlier in the season on the basis that he'd had an awful lot of time in the car, a hell of a lot more than any other rookie before him. But that don't teach you to race. After watching him, i think that he has fantastic race craft and a cool head. A truly great little race driver.
Steve R
Steve R
stevorocket
Commando
The belittling of Louis started as soon as he got the drive. You only have to read up the forum quotes by armchair experts to see it.
He has always had the talent - as displayed by his results in the lower formulae and karts.
All he's doing now is what he's always done.
Apart from showing some F1 drivers how it should be done.
He aint a "great little race driver" - he's the biggest talent to hit the F1 scene since Senna.
He has always had the talent - as displayed by his results in the lower formulae and karts.
All he's doing now is what he's always done.
Apart from showing some F1 drivers how it should be done.
He aint a "great little race driver" - he's the biggest talent to hit the F1 scene since Senna.
KnickeRS
Boy Racer
This slating is just the typical british Media's way of selling print....
It really pisses me off.
I have been a Ferrari fan for the last 5-6 years, no secret there, but since they took on the "personalityless" Kimi, I have found it harder in myself to support them.
Lewis has come along at exactly the right time, with personality, charisma, talent all equally much greater than his years would have us believe and I find it hard now not to want to support the guy.
He may set history this year, albeit in a good car but lets not forget, also with plenty of "off track" and behind the scenes pressure to unsettle him. He has held his head well in adverse conditions and will very much deserve the title should it come his way.
Good luck Lewis.
It really pisses me off.
I have been a Ferrari fan for the last 5-6 years, no secret there, but since they took on the "personalityless" Kimi, I have found it harder in myself to support them.
Lewis has come along at exactly the right time, with personality, charisma, talent all equally much greater than his years would have us believe and I find it hard now not to want to support the guy.
He may set history this year, albeit in a good car but lets not forget, also with plenty of "off track" and behind the scenes pressure to unsettle him. He has held his head well in adverse conditions and will very much deserve the title should it come his way.
Good luck Lewis.
Stuart
Godzilla
I don't get this whole like or dislike thing for media celebs.
I don't know the guy, all I get is what is shown on tv or edited and written in the papers.
I can't like someone I don't know.
However, I can respect his achievements.
I don't really care where he comes from. I am not sure that nationality means very much these days.
As mentioned in the Car article comments, I also get annoyed by them talking to his father. They don't do that with the other drivers, nor do they talk to the other drivers agents.
I get the impression his father is living his life through his son.
I don't know the guy, all I get is what is shown on tv or edited and written in the papers.
I can't like someone I don't know.
However, I can respect his achievements.
I don't really care where he comes from. I am not sure that nationality means very much these days.
As mentioned in the Car article comments, I also get annoyed by them talking to his father. They don't do that with the other drivers, nor do they talk to the other drivers agents.
I get the impression his father is living his life through his son.
stevorocket
Commando
Talking to his father is like saying Lewis is still a little kid - another belittling trait. :wall
He is an individual who knows what he wants and is going for it.
Like many other drivers before him he has family, team and mentor support.
Nothing new there then.
He is an individual who knows what he wants and is going for it.
Like many other drivers before him he has family, team and mentor support.
Nothing new there then.
Steve Rance
Boy Racer
He aint a "great little race driver" - he's the biggest talent to hit the F1 scene since Senna.[/QUOTE]
Sorry. I stand by that one.. Like just about every F1 Driver, he is very little..
Sorry. I stand by that one.. Like just about every F1 Driver, he is very little..
daz
King Kong
I have done a fair few track days this year, and every instructor, or wanna be race driver I have met almost without exception have done the guy down, which confused the heck out of me,
a lot of them seem to resent his success,
dont understand it,
all you can do in his position, is win the races, and the world championship, and in his first year, all while ferrari, should be winning, and whilst he has the world champion in his team,
I mean what else could he do
a lot of them seem to resent his success,
dont understand it,
all you can do in his position, is win the races, and the world championship, and in his first year, all while ferrari, should be winning, and whilst he has the world champion in his team,
I mean what else could he do
Lighty
King Kong
Another dig at Lewis by the look of it, typical Ferrari http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62933
Stuart
Godzilla
If there is a load of Ferrari in the cars, then why aren't Ferrari winning the races?
Obviously the McLaren bits must be doing something.
Steve Rance
Boy Racer
I have done a fair few track days this year, and every instructor, or wanna be race driver I have met almost without exception have done the guy down, which confused the heck out of me,
a lot of them seem to resent his success,
dont understand it,
all you can do in his position, is win the races, and the world championship, and in his first year, all while ferrari, should be winning, and whilst he has the world champion in his team,
I mean what else could he do
If you race or have raced would understand. Almost all drivers are looking for a budget or to be discovered and generally it just doesnt happen. Even the quickest and most talented driver constantly struggles from year to year. Lewis has been fully sponsored by one of the biggest F1 teams in the world since he was a kid, has benefitted from thier knowledge and resources in all areas for years. It is the ultimate leg up for any driver, unheared of before and seen as a huge privilige from other driver's perspective. Call it jealousy, if you like, it probably is to a certain extent but the passion to drive than runs through most race drivers is so deep and they compete in such a dog eat dog environment where they are constantly struggling from one race to the next for the whole of thier carrier. look at it from this way and you may understand the reaction from other drivers. Any world class driver would be very quick in the Mclaren after the number of laps that he had in the car before the start of the season.
What changed my view was seeing the guy race. The mind set, coolness and passes made under pressure have been extremely good. He is very quick, makes his luck stick and makes very few mistakes. But what really impressed me was the way that he has dealt with the mess caused by Alonso. I though his drive in Japan was superb. However you look at it from a driver's perspective, he deserves that drive and I believe that he is a rare talent
Steve R
stevorocket
Commando
The sad thing is that Ferrari were as involved as Mclaren in this spying fiasco.
It was their 700 page document which was stolen and their man who colluded with the Mclaren man.
So both teams were to blame and both should have lost their points - or neither.
To say that Ferrari have "won" the world championship is obtuse.
It was their 700 page document which was stolen and their man who colluded with the Mclaren man.
So both teams were to blame and both should have lost their points - or neither.
To say that Ferrari have "won" the world championship is obtuse.
Chris
Odin, Father of the North
The Japan race was a watershed in his career, that is for sure...
It must have been so hard to be at the front, setting the pace in those conditions...one little mistake could have seen him off into the armco and loosing out big time...
I was on the edge of my seat especially after the SC around the 20 laps to go mark...
Top driving
It must have been so hard to be at the front, setting the pace in those conditions...one little mistake could have seen him off into the armco and loosing out big time...
I was on the edge of my seat especially after the SC around the 20 laps to go mark...
Top driving
clipstone
Boy Racer
Not entirely sure I see your point here Stevo - are you saying that Ferrari should be punished for having their own document stolen?
If so, surely that is like putting you in prison together with the guy that stole your car, because you had the car to be stolen in the first place
Could well be that I have just misread your comment though as I am in definate need of some sleep right now
stevorocket
Commando
Most F1 drivers are there because the have the money to start in the first place - many F1 drivers started only because they had the money.
In all walks of life there are training programs, MBA schemes, Graduate entry schemes, rich daddies on the board and bosses who love pretty secretaries to look at.
All these are ways of bypassing the nose to the grindstone career of the ordinary folks.
So its no surprise that Ron Dennis took him under his wing - didn't Frank Williams do that with Senna and also Ken Tyrell with Jackie Stewart?
So its only history repeating itself with an exceptional driver who was recognised as such by an astute team manager.
In all walks of life there are training programs, MBA schemes, Graduate entry schemes, rich daddies on the board and bosses who love pretty secretaries to look at.
All these are ways of bypassing the nose to the grindstone career of the ordinary folks.
So its no surprise that Ron Dennis took him under his wing - didn't Frank Williams do that with Senna and also Ken Tyrell with Jackie Stewart?
So its only history repeating itself with an exceptional driver who was recognised as such by an astute team manager.
stevorocket
Commando
Ferrari failed to control their man - so did Mclaren.
They failed to ensure that security was tight enough to stop a 700 page document being stolen.
They both failed to manage the man and his aspirations and desires so that he became a security risk.
So I dont see the Mclaren management guilty of anything - there is no proof at all that they initiated or supported the use of Ferrari information.
So it was two twots from the teams who should have been punished in the normal courts of law.
Not the team.
Or the championship.
They failed to ensure that security was tight enough to stop a 700 page document being stolen.
They both failed to manage the man and his aspirations and desires so that he became a security risk.
So I dont see the Mclaren management guilty of anything - there is no proof at all that they initiated or supported the use of Ferrari information.
So it was two twots from the teams who should have been punished in the normal courts of law.
Not the team.
Or the championship.
clipstone
Boy Racer
Sorry mate, I normally agree with alot of your posts and thoughts generally, but to say that Ferrari should be punished for failing to control their man
If he had access to the docs, then he was obviously in a position of trust ... a position he had earned and could be expected not to breach by trading secrets with a rival team ... as to the fact that McLaren had access to, used or supported the use of the info, that is a matter for the appropriate venue to determine - this has been done and, whether you agree with the findings or not, the McLaren team were found to have knowingly used the information - with a finding of this, the only travesty in the whole affair is that their drivers were allowed to keep their points - and I'm pretty sure this was only cobbled as their drivers were 1 and 2 in the championship - pretty sure if this was say Sauber the whole lot would have been scratched, drivers and constructors.
TBH, I think the whole thing is a joke - and has completely removed any remaining interest I had with F1
:wall
stevorocket
Commando
I said
So it was two twots from the teams who should have been punished in the normal courts of law.
Not the team.
Or the championship.
So it was two twots from the teams who should have been punished in the normal courts of law.
Not the team.
Or the championship.
